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On the note of that previous post, I’m reading a bit of Julia Serano’s new(ish? at this point?) book Excluded, on various issues with feminist/queer movements and lack of intersectionality/inclusivity. And the whole “bisexuality is binarist!” thing is dealt with in a chapter. Her argument is similar to that one, but a lot more in-depth. Highly recommended.
In some ways, the term “pansexual” came out of biphobia and a need to stipulate that one was not transphobic. If you take the binary view of “bisexual,” then a sexuality specific to an attraction to men and women could be seen as being noninclusive of transgender men and women. On the other hand, transgender men and women want to (and should) be seen as simply men and women, meaning that they would/should be included in that very binary; not including them tends to be much more phobic and noninclusive.
Then there is the thought that the binary view of bisexuality can be seen as phobic of anyone who identifies as genderqueer, or somewhere along the gender and sexuality spectrum, not identifying as male or female, man or woman. But, as I mentioned before, the true definition of “bisexual” is being attracted to those who are the same as me and those who are different from me, encompassing all genders and identities. The often-repeated argument that “bi means two” ignores a simple fact: “Same” and “different” are, indeed, two groups."
I think if I were in Digimon I’d be a mix of Izzy (in being a little nerd who’s attached to my computer and constantly looking shit up to solve problems) and Mimi (in being like FUCK THIS I WANT OUT I WANT A SHOWER I WANT A WARM BED WAHHHHHH). And I think that says a lot about me.
hckleinman replied to your post “hckleinman replied to your post: “It’s fine for men to watch shojo… …”
Hard to think of an American kids’ show that subverts gender roles more than Korra…
Do you watch Steven Universe?
But I meant more that the fans of My Little Pony think they’re “subverting gender roles” because they’re dudes who are into a girl thing. It’s not as surprising that dudes would like Korra, even if it has a female protagonist.
animaniacs was ahead of its time
I have to remind myself and the angry fandom side of tumblr about this periodically or this damn website might implode
FUN STORY TIME
Warner Bros. Animation studios was one of the first, if not the first, major media producers to be introduced to, and subsequently effected by, internet “nerd” culture.
Tiny Toon Adventures was on television around the time the internet started to gain popularity, and Warner Bros. found themselves the unwilling targets of various letters and emails from several people in the furry fandom (which, before this point, had been mostly unheard of), requesting naked pictures of Babs Bunny and other characters. One dude in particular sent scores of letters to Tress MacNielle, Babs’ voice actress, describing sexual acts that he wanted to do to the characters she voiced. It became such a problem that Tress began cancelling appearances and soon lost interest in working on Tiny Toons altogether. The show was canceled not long after that.
The man who continually harassed Tress became the inspiration and base model for the “obsessed internet nerd” trope character that would appear at the end of the final episode of Tiny Toons (as “the most frightening thing in the world”), as well as in future shows, such as Animaniacs.
ExtremistBronies…. c’mere….. come closer. *puts an arm on your shoulder and pats sympathetically* see this story? See this here? Keep up your lewd shit and you’re not going to have ANYTHING left.
There, fixed it for you.
Anonymous asked: I have a friend who is a brony. I'm trying to figure out the best way to give him an intervention. He hasn't done anything horrible that I know of, but it makes me kind of nervous.
Ask him why the hell he wants to hang out with so man misogynistic, racist, homophobic manchildren, I guess?
Because there’s nothing wrong with liking that show (it’s a pretty good kids’ show! even if it’s no Steven Universe) but I’m pretty skeptical of anyone who proudly wears the “brony” label these days. I mean, I find it telling that just about everyone in that fandom I knew who was an actually-decent human being and cares about social justice, left it at least a year ago.
Or maybe, and stay with me here because this is going to sound crazy, maybe he’s one of the good guys.
You know that the majority of the fandom are decent people, and they associate with the term ‘Brony’.
There are misogynistic, racist, homophobic manchidren who do as well. I don’t consider them my peers. There are terrible human beings out there, I still call myself a member of the human race.
Instead of telling him he’s broken, maybe celebrate that there’s another good brony out there proving that our fandom isn’t what the misguided make it out to be.
>nothing wrong with liking the show
>actually decent human bean
Hot damn, pulling every trigger possible are we?
So you’re telling me I’m everything you horsefuckers hate?
Oh my gosh, I couldn’t be more honored! Thank you!
What galls me is that in just about any other adult fandom for a kids’ show, the adults understand that they aren’t the intended audience. No self-congratulatory docs have been made about adult Korra or Pokemon fans and they are legion.
That’s because they’re not ~SUBVERTING GENDER ROLES~ or whatever their talking points are these days…
It’s really the exact opposite, of course. The big “shock” here is that adults, and particularly men, are embracing a thing that is explicitly aimed at pre-adolescent girls. And the “shock” there is it’s assumed that everything made for little girls is terrible.
So feminist. So subversive.
mildmilotic replied to your post “I love the people responding to that ask post being like BUT EVERY…”
that whole “OTHER FANDOMS DO IT TOO” thing is also really fucking stupid. that’s just trying desperately to point attention away from the actual problem and not address it at all. :/ and kinda doesn’t do anything to make brony fandom look any better.
Yeah, really. I mean didn’t we all learn “If everyone jumped off a cliff, would you?” was a shitty rebuttal way back in kindergarten? Just because everyone does shitty things doesn’t mean these shitty things are okay.
I think this shit started this time around specifically because of that post targeted at JesuOtaku. She’s a Pokemon and Digimon fan and they wanted to be like HURR DURR YOU’RE A HYPOCRITE. Which is why it’s worth pointing out why those comparisons don’t make sense. Sorry, there’s a reason that when an adult says s/he loves Pokemon, people don’t think “you must be a pedophile/zoophile!” but they often do with bronies.
But you’re right, they shouldn’t even be making those comparisons in the first place.
It’s fine for men to watch shojo anime and read shojo manga like Sailor Moon and Cardcaptor Sakura.
It’s fine for men to make pornographic doujinshi of these, buy figurines, and jack off to the characters.
It’s fine for men to completely invade a Pretty Cure forum created for young girls and scare said girls away. It’s fine for these men to twist the entire fandom around themselves, its fine for them to show up to Pretty Cure events in throngs and its fine for them to frantically grab all the free handouts before any of the girls can.
It’s also fine for men to take these magical girl anime made for girls that celebrate being a girl and make them all about their pornography and which girl they most want to put their dick in. It’s fine, because theres even a cute name for them, ‘Ooki Tomodachi’ (Big Friend).
It’s fine for them to do the same with My Little Pony, of course. It’s fine that they can make the voice actors of the show uncomfortable with personal questions, its fine that they can yell out rape jokes to them at conventions, its fine that they have basically made it impossible for any of the 8 year old girls the show was made for to ever google it in public. It’s fine for them to gather in the toy stores around the pony toys and intimidate young girls. It’s fine that the whole show, created to celebrate femininity and how ‘theres no wrong way to be a girl’ is now associated with their fetishes. And its so fine that these male fans get given a cute name (‘brony’), get documentaries made about them, have newspaper article after blog post after feature talking about how they are ‘challenging gender norms’ and ‘transforming pop culture’.
But if a girl ‘trespasses’ into a male space, what happens? (Even when it isnt ‘trespassing’, in the case of Free!, in which a space was actually made for us ) We can expect such timeless classics as: degradation, ‘you’re not even a REAL fan!’ ‘I bet you dont even know ______’, all kinds of threats, and, of course, the posts you see on this blog."
Figured this was worth bringing back in light of recent events.
Alright folks, I told you I was going to do this. And here it is.
I said earlier I was going to wait until this person slipped up again before I posted it. Well I did some more thinking, and I realized that would entail me having to keep an eye on this person, and basically wait around for them to screw up.
That is not something I’m prepared to do. Also my hope is that by posting this now, it may potentially nip any future unpleasantness in the bud. I doubt that such a thing would happen but one can only hope.
So for better or worse, here it is.
This time I’m going to be providing facts and all that stuff, because this isn’t just any regular person we’re talking about here. This also means it’s going to be considerably longer than the last op-ed missive, so I’ll provide a helpful TLDR at the end.
Also like I forewarned, there’s a chance I won’t be as nice as I was last time. Because honestly I’m at my wits end with these folks.
Once again, I apologize in advance for what I’m about to say. I don’t enjoy this, but someone has to say it.
This is a fantastic read that I heartily recommend. Seriously, if you’re getting tired of JO’s abrasive nature, this is great.
Most of the male TGWTG members are 10x more abrasive, and some also hate bronies and are quite vocal about that.
But you only take issue when Hope does it.
Hmmm…. *tickles chin*
I love the people responding to that ask post being like BUT EVERY FANDOM HAS MISOGYNISTIC, RACIST, HOMOPHOBIC MANCHILDREN IN IT.
No, they really don’t. Not in the same numbers, not to the same degree. It says something that you guys have to do “research” and come up with extensive talking points to “disprove” us.
Look, I’m not coming from a place of ignorance here, nor are most of the people criticizing you. I used to be a part of the MLP:FiM grown-up fandom, going to meet-ups at conventions and hanging out in Internet communities for it. I know what it’s like. It’s pretty much impossible to avoid the unsavory elements of it, and I know it’s only gotten worse since I left. That is not true to the same degree with any of the other “fandoms” I’m “in”, and one of those is fucking Hetalia.
And yes, that list includes other kids’ series that adults like.
It’s incredibly telling that nobody with any experience with this disagrees with these assertions, except for bronies who are hellbent on defending their fandom. It only seems reasonable to conclude that people who have such a personal investment in this issue, are probably going to distort the truth more than people who don’t.
And this is proven by how, when that BABScon child harassment thing came to light, all of you were quick with your “IT’S NOT REAL IT CAN’T BE REAL” victim-blaming bullshit before any fact-checking of any kind happened. You just jumped to the conclusion that it had to be somebody ruining your reputation. You jumped to blaming the victim.
For all you scream about “we’re not all like that!”, every time you get a chance, you prove that yes, you are.
My two (two!) pieces for the "Magical Girl Heroines: Sailor Moon and Sailor Senshi"gallery show, happening THIS SATURDAY (that’s tomorrow!) at Q-Pop in lovely downtown Los Angeles! The art i’ve already seen for this show looks AMAZING and i’m super pumped to be part of it along with many talented pals and talented potential-future-pals.